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Rent a truck, pack box's, try not to break anything - (2/11/2004 04:41:00 PM))/font>

I'm moving this blog:

www.go-cardinals.org is now my blogs official new home. Please stop by and click on lot's of stuff.


Little Help - (2/09/2004 04:53:00 PM))/font>

I am looking for an RSS feed of the baseball schedule, ideally just a news feed listing todays games. I'm in the process of moving this website to a new server and I'd like to write a little code to automatically pick up who the Cards are playing and put up links to that teams blogs and newspapers, but I'm having a tough time finding a data feed.

If anybody has any suggestions please email me at joshschulz@yahoo.com.


Maddux? - (2/06/2004 04:18:00 PM))/font>

February lasts forever.

Maddux's name has come up in connection with the Cards again, now players are starting to defer money trying to get him. Matt Morris has a priceless quote in that article He said he would defer salary:

"But I'm not going to do it so they can build a new stadium,".

He has another quote that is even more interesting:
"I'm very comfortable being there, but this is a business and these guys are businessmen."

This of course echo's what Pujols has been saying. It's quite the departure from a few years ago when everybody who signed with the Cards almost seemed embarresed about taking their money. I wonder what changed?

I have a few theories:

1. Economics. When Cards were deferring money in full force and blabbering on about how great it was the Economy was almost nuclear hot, baseball players in particular had a sense that they could make millions of dollars forever. But with stocks bottoming out the last couple of years players may have their eyes more squarely on the future.

2. Evil Owners. Talk of collusion is in the air, and it could be that players as a group are coming together in response to this threat (real or imagined) and not feeling as accomodating as in years past.

3. Cardinals Ownership in particular. This kind of thing has been going on all over baseball, Ivan Rodriguez's willingness to play for the tigers being the prime example, but it seems especially concentrated around the Cardinals. The Cards have previously had a very good raport with their players, and have been able to induce them into below market value quite often. Could the dismissal of Vina and Eduardo Perez have caused the bad feelings? I don't know, but it's interesting to consider because the teams ability to sign players cheaply is the teams biggest advantage over it's rivals. If they have lost that advantage things could get ugly in the next few years.


Alas - (2/03/2004 01:24:00 PM))/font>

Over at The Bird House Brian Walton writes an article about trading players. I can't link directly too it, but the gist is: Who can we trade?

Brian was kind enough to send me an email which I'll quote:

Hello, Josh. I like your trade idea, but I think it is the dream of a Cardinal fan. I do not think it is realistic. I think you're wrong about the value the Mariners place on Soriano. He is highly prized, just as the poster you quote says.

He's right of course. Somebody called them schoolyard trades, or a wouldn't it be great trade. They almost always depend on the other parties ignorance. (Funny Story: When I was a kid I collected baseball cards. I'd trade them with a kid who lived accross the street from me, and after a few months of me sharking him daily his dad got fed up and used a pen to mark the valuable cards he shouldn't trade. )

I sincerely doubt they would bite on Edmonds for he and Winn, who just signed for two years, $7.25M. They would want to push Garcia, who makes $6.875M, making a Garcia/Winn for Edmonds deal a salary increase for the Cardinals.

Yeah, and Garcia/Winn + salary isn't remotely worth it for the Cardinals.

The M's still could take the Sasaki money and buy Maddux or Pudge or whatever they want and have the best of both worlds.

That's the rub: It's a great deal for the Cardinals, but there's no incentive for the Mariners to actually do it.

Finally, are the Mariners on JED's approved trade list? If not, how much more would it cost to buy that out?

Good hot stove fodder, but that's about it.


P.S. Edmonds becomes a 10 and 5 man after this season, making it impossible to trade him without his consent. So, I agree with you that if he were to be traded, the time is soon upon us. I just don't see the Mariners being the ones now to take him.

This is the part I loved, after taking apart my logic and rational on a piece by piece basis, Brian still manages to convey that I'm not a complete ass or anything, I'm just wrong. If there's a 'Conversing through the Internet for Dummies' book, they could use this letter as the perfect howto.

The summary though is the Cardinals are probably not trading anybody. So we've got Edmonds for another year. What can we expect? Baseball Prospectus released 2004 Pecota so let's take a look:

Jim Edmonds Projected for 2004:
362 at bats, 22 home runs, .380/.524 line.

Pecota thinks Jim Edmonds isn't going to play a ton next year (although in his chat Nate Silver noted that Pecota tends to loball at bats). I don't suppose that's news really, but it is a little disturbing. It's even worse when you consider that Kerry Robinson is the only player the Cardinals have who can impersonate a center fielder (Reggie Sanders and Ray Lankford were both centerfielders in their early days, but neither is going to be playing their much next year. I'd say at all, but it is La Russa).

When JD Drew was traded it was to free up money for pitching. With no pitching being signed the trade is starting to look bad. A backup centerfielder would be very useful to the Cards right now.


Somethign To Think About - (1/30/2004 10:09:00 AM))/font>

Over at USS Mariner there's a running discussion about trading for Carlos Beltran

The money quote:
The offer I came up with was Winn, Justin Leone, Jose Lopez, and Rett Johnson for Beltran. If Baird mentions Rafael Soriano, you hang up the phone. Players like Soriano just don't get traded, and there's no reason to give him up.

I've started to think that the Jocketty should call up the Mariners and make an offer:
Jim Edmonds for Winn and Soriano.

Everybody knows that the Mariners recently got a $9 million dollar windfall. Everybody also knows that the Cardinals are trying to sign Albert Pujols to a long term deal. Jim Edmonds is one of the best center fielders in the Majors, but like Branch Rickey said "better to trade em a year to early than a year to late". But he's 33, and last year he played in 137 games. He's getting older, and he is injury prone. He just had his best year at the plate in his career. His value will never be higher. He'll make $9 million this year, $10 million in 2005, and $12 million in 2006.

The Cardinals could use the money freed up to offset the Pujols contract. They need a Center fielder, so they have to take Winn (or suffer a year of Robinson as a starter in Center). Because of Winn's contract they might get some cash out of the deal as well. Soriano has been well documented by the USS Mariner crew, A young talented pitcher who could make the Major League rotation is something the Cardinals desperatly need.

VORP last year:
Edmonds 54.3
Winn 25.2
Soriano 25.1

Going forward if Soriano starts he's likely to be better than that, while Edmonds is kind of a wildcard. He could repeat that number, play 10 more games next year and surpass it, or tank completely (I wonder what PECOTA thinks?). This is a decent deal for both teams. The Mariners pick up a premier offensive talent, the Cardinals get a young pitcher and save some money. It's a pretty straightforward now vs later: In the short term the Mariners get better, but in the long term the Cardinals get better (money room, and Soriano getting better).

Would the Mariners take it? Maybe. They do undervalue Soriano, and Edmonds is a big shiny toy that would address one of their weaknesses. But the same reasons the Cards want to trade him work against them trading him. As for the Cardinals they would have to work hard to sell this deal as 'look how good Soriano is' and 'Now Pujols is locked in for sure'.

My personal feeling is that getting rid of Edmonds contract (which I think is going to be a millstone the last two years of the deal) and getting Soriano make the pain next year worth it. This is a rebuilding move for the Cards for sure, but it's not one that sinks their hopes completely next year.


Busch? - (1/28/2004 11:13:00 AM))/font>

Baseball Musings Post about the names of Ball Parks. Last night me and my wife were shopping for some Cardinals gear and we took some time to look at the new stadium. But I saw no mention of the name of the stadium. I assume they'll sell the rights for millions of dollars. But I wonder if Anhueser Busch could be persuaded to plunk down the $300 million or so for the naming rights, and make it Busch II. It's right up their alley advertising wise, and it would be the kind of feel good PR move that would benefit everybody.

I can't imagine not going to busch stadium, I don't want to take my daughter to her first game at SuperHyperGlobalNet Ballfield.

Maybe this Busch II meme will get going and the Cardinals Organization will step up and make it happen.


C.R.E.A.M. - (1/26/2004 12:24:00 PM))/font>

Two blog entries around today about money:
Aaron Gleeman weighs in about free agents and Redbird nation Weighs in about Pujols Negotiations.

Hell, even if he is flat-broke, without a penny to his name, is there really enough of a difference between $20 million over 3-4 years and $40 million over four years? Are millions 21 through 40 really enough to make you go to work everyday at a job you don't enjoy as much as you would somewhere else?

Yes. God Yes. That's $20 million dollars. That's enough money that IRod's (Aarons talking about Ivan Rodriguez's search for a team) kids kids can not worry about working. Let's flip it around: What kind of selfish bastard would choose to spend 4 years of his life playing in a slightly better enviorment and throw away the $20 million dollars that would benefit multiple generations of his children. What kind of man would do that to his children?

Redbird Nation
Now, lastly, suppose that the citizens of your hometown -- the ones who have a lot invested in the company -- consider you greedy for trying to make as much money as you can. 42% of them tsk-tsk you, say you're acting like "just another superstar" for seeking your market value

You should read the entire post because Brain nails the issue so perfectly.

All this whining about selfish ball players is coming from a society that shops at wal mart to save 10 cents and destroys small businesses in the process. A society that ruined american automotive manufacturing because they'd like to save a little money on labor. A society that in the face of scarce petrochemical resources buys the most gigantic land behemoths they can because it's convienent and safe for them (but they endanger everybody else on the road due to the hieght and weight of the vehicles). This same culture of excess and greed can all gather around sanctamoniously because some baseball player has the nerve to try to be paid what the market will allow.

It bothers me.

I think Albert himself said it best. I'll have to paraphrase since I can't find a link but basically he said: Why should I take a lower salary for the team? The team has no problem trading away JD Drew when he made too much money, or not signing Eduardo Perez because he might make too much money, and if I sign here for less what's to stop them from dumping me off and then I end up playing in tampa for less than market value?

The loyalty doesn't go both ways, because if it did Fernando Vina would still be here. And Pujols is right to recognize that and try to get the maximum value for his services that he can.